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I just switched to Daylite from a self built on system of Filemaker Pro.

I need to import the clients, then determine where I am now going to do the business billing.

Any recomendations as to a good business intregratede to DL billing software?

Any prebuilts in FMP or another? Has DL made a billing input yet?


Thanks

Erik
 
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I don't know of any plug-ins that integrate DayLite with any of the billing/accounting packages out there yet. There might be one in the works, but I have not heard of it.

However, I can see how you could possibly use the "Estimate" capability of DayLite and Tasks as a simple billing system. The question is how deep are your billing needs?


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I use DL to manage my clients and orders. For billing I stick with an accounting backage (MYOB).
 
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AJ
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DAYLITE USAGE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY INDUSTRY (A GUESS)

These settings could be used by a photographer. I'm making a bunch of assumptions as I'm not a photographer by any means. I just happened to go a few wedding this summer, observed the photographers in action and remembered my own wedding.

What I'm hoping to do here is get some feedback from the pros and see if we can make a good template for photographers in general.

These settings assume a photographer in the wedding business. I have no clue how a photographer that photographs models or objects works or one that does corporate work. I think might require just a few changes.


CATEGORY/KEYWORDS/TYPE

Contact Categories

  • Client
  • Client-Relative
  • Employee
  • Vendor
  • Prospect
  • Personal



Organization Categories

  • Client
  • Vendor
  • Prospect



Keywords

  • Vendor - Photographer
  • Vendor - Photo Processing
  • Vendor - Albums
  • Vendor - Park
  • Vendor - Venues



Appointment Categories

  • Reception
  • Religious Ceremony
  • Stag
  • Bridal Shower
  • In Studio
  • Personal


Task Categories

  • At Event (things to do at the event)
  • At Studio
  • At Home
  • With Client (tasks to do when with a client)



Project Categories

  • Customer Work
  • Internal Work


Note Categories

  • Style Preferences (What kind of photography style they prefer)
  • Reception Info
  • Bat-mitzvah Info
  • Bar-mitzvah Info
  • Ceremony Info
  • Studio Session Info
  • Portrait Info
  • Corporate Info
  • Fine Art Info



Opportunity Type

  • Wedding
  • Portrait
  • Bat-mitzvah
  • Bar-mitzvah
  • Article
  • Corporate
  • Fine Art




ROLES
When you link people to your opportunities or projects, you want to know the relationship so to speak and who they are. The contact themselves would have their own category. The 'Bride' would have a 'Client' category and the 'Bride Mother' would have a 'Client-Relative' category. Hopefully the 'Bride Mother' becomes a 'Client' in the future. It is important to keep these separate because a contact with category 'Client' may have many 'jobs' with you. Each one of those is an opportunity or a project and she could play a different role in each.
Contact - Opportunity/Project Roles

  • Bride
  • Groom
  • Bride Mother
  • Groom Mother
  • Bride Father
  • Groom Father
  • Lead Photographer
  • Assistant Photographer
  • Decision Maker
  • Competitor




FORMS
Use forms to gather bits of useful information. While Daylite is not an accounting system, you can at least log the payments received. For every album ordered, you can specify the details as well as for frames. I'm sure there are other uses, but I can't think of any right now.

Payment Received


  • Date
  • Amount
  • Who
  • Method


Album Details


  • Make
  • Model
  • Pages
  • Recipient


Frame Details


  • Make
  • Model
  • Size




PIPELINE AND STAGES
This is where you manage your day to day business (along with the calendar). It is debatable whether you'd want a shorter opportunity pipeline and then more project pipelines. We are fudging pure Daylite theory here by going beyond the 'accepted' stage in opportunity and managing the whole process this way.

The process is that the opportunity is the driving element and that project stem of of it. For example, since each ordered album is quite a bit of work, you can make each ordered album a separate project. You would use the 'create project from opportunity' menu. You might keep all the same people linked or a have a subset (which would make more sense). Theoretically, the events (such as the reception) could also be a project, but I think that is going too fine grained and thus hard to maintain - but that is personal preference.

Opportunity - Event Pipeline (wedding, family picts, head shots, bar/bat ...)

  • Inquiry (couple is inquiring)
  • Quoted (we've given our pricing)
  • Accepted (they have accepted)
  • Scheduled (we've scheduled people/events)
  • Event Week (it's happening this week!)
  • Proofs (we've sent them the proofs)
  • Photo Touch Ups
  • Albums/Frames (we are doing the albums)
  • Delivered (we've delivered everything we need to deliver)
  • Final Payment Collected
  • Thank-you & Referral Bonus Card sent



Project - Album Assembly Pipeline

  • Recipient Determined (for the bride, groom, parents etc...)
  • Photo set
  • Sent to Photo Lab (album ordered)
  • Album Assembly
  • Accepted


Project - Frame Assembly Pipeline

  • Photo Set
  • Sent to Photo Lab (frame ordered)
  • Frame Assembly
  • Accepted



ACTIVITY SETS
I could only think of one forward activity set and one reverse.

Forward - Prints

  • Send proof list to lab, +3 days
  • Review prints received from lab +10 days



Reverse - External Event Preparations

  • Confirm Event location and time, - 5 days
  • Confirm Photographers, - 4 days

  • Gather Cameras, Stands, Lenses -2 days

  • Print Maps and Directions, -2 days





SMARTLISTS
The following smartlist would ease your access to specific data. When you go multi-user, you could create the similar smartlist but with the user as an additional criteria. Off-course you could add a whole bunch more smartlists.

Contacts

  • Clients
  • Prospects

  • External Photographers

  • Internal Photographers



Organizations

  • Clients
  • Vendors
  • Prospects

  • External Photographers

  • Album Suppliers

  • Photo Labs



Opportunities

  • Open Inquiries
  • Events this week
  • Weddings this week

  • Proofs sent to lab

  • Delivered Jobs (waiting for final payment)

  • Payments Collected (waiting to send thank-you's)



Projects

  • Open Internal Projects
  • Open Customer Projects
  • Sent to Lab

  • Albums Being Assembled



Tasks

  • Today with Clients
  • Today at Event
  • At Studio

  • At Home



Calendar

  • <for each internal photographer>
  • All Internal Photographers


Hope this helps someone and hopefully we can get some feedback on this.
 
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While I am not a photographer, I must say that you did a great job in providing a lot of well thought out detail.

Wouldn't it be great if we can package up all those recommendations into a nice little "Template" file that could be installed on top of an already created database. Then, as we develop a library of "Best Practice" templates, they could be easily shared from the Marketcircle site.


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AJ... very impressed with the thought and effort put into this. I don't have time right now, but I'll look at it closer and make some suggestions. I've got a pretty good form created for tracking details of the wedding and a report that prints this out that I take with me on the wedding day to refresh my memory.

Although weddings are not a big part of my work, they used to be. I now do mostly commercial & corporate work, so I've had to create different workflows for different types of photography. You are correct in that a 'template' for wedding photographers isn't necessarily the answer for other photographers.
 
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Wise Guy
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quote:
Originally posted by AJ:
DAYLITE USAGE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY INDUSTRY (A GUESS)

These settings could be used by a photographer. I'm making a bunch of assumptions as I'm not a photographer by any means. I just happened to go a few wedding this summer, observed the photographers in action and remembered my own wedding.

What I'm hoping to do here is get some feedback from the pros and see if we can make a good template for photographers in general.

These settings assume a photographer in the wedding business. I have no clue how a photographer that photographs models or objects works or one that does corporate work. I think might require just a few changes.


CATEGORY/KEYWORDS/TYPE

Contact Categories

  • Client
  • Client-Relative
  • Employee
  • Vendor
  • Prospect
  • Personal


For my categories, I have different types of photography clients, ie. Portrait, Wedding, Pets, Schools, Commercial, Aerial, Industrial, Editorial, etc. This way, I can create a Smart List by category of photography. For example, I want to see all my Aerial clients because I'm going to rent a plane for a shoot and see if there's anyone else in the area I can shoot for while I'm 'up'. I also have Vendor, Personal, and few others like that just because I dump everyone into my DL database, but it needs more diversification. Even a 'Wedding' photographer will do other work.


Organization Categories

  • Client
  • Vendor
  • Prospect


Again, I categorize Organizations a little more... Corporate, Commercial, Vendor, Portrait, etc. for the same reasons above. There are not as many Categories, because things like Commercial work include Aerial, Industrial, Product, Aerial, etc. and I use Keywords to define those down a little more.

Keywords

  • Vendor - Photographer
  • Vendor - Photo Processing
  • Vendor - Albums
  • Vendor - Park
  • Vendor - Venues


Not nearly enough! If you want to find a client of a particular shoot, or to find the name of a contact that you did a product shoot of a carpet for, you need more keywords to refine the search. Keywords are used to narrow a smart list to the contacts or organizations you need for a particular reason. As mentioned above, keywords could include things like Product, Factory, Boardroom, Aerial, Industrial, Illustration, etc. The reason to look for a particular contact is to find an image for either a reorder or a portfolio or display. This will coincide with a database of your images. But to find the images, sometimes you need to know the client.


Appointment Categories

  • Reception
  • Religious Ceremony
  • Stag
  • Bridal Shower
  • In Studio
  • Personal


You don't need separate appointments for a wedding's reception, ceremony, etc. Once you start a wedding, you're there for the duration. Appointment categories will be things like; Initial Consulation, Meeting (in general), Order Placement, Order Delivery, Wedding, Family Portrait, Pet Portrait, Commercial, Architectural, Aerial, Bar Mitzvah, Headshot, Executive Portrait, etc.

Task Categories

  • At Event (things to do at the event)
  • At Studio
  • At Home
  • With Client (tasks to do when with a client)


Tasks will be things like; Order Frame, Book Order Appt, Process Images, Assemble Album, Create Proofs. For things like 'At Event', 'At Studio', etc., I use the location field in Appointment - where is the appt happening.


Project Categories

  • Customer Work
  • Internal Work


Project Categories are one thing I'm just starting out on. My categories, are weddings, editorial, fund-raiser, and a few others. For most of my work, I don't need a 'whole' project to track it - maybe just an Activity Set. I've been using projects a little more now for weddings, but need Activity Sets that can be 'programmed' to start/stop on other than a given number of days from the start. (But that's another thread that I've already started).


Note Categories

  • Style Preferences (What kind of photography style they prefer)
  • Reception Info
  • Bat-mitzvah Info
  • Bar-mitzvah Info
  • Ceremony Info
  • Studio Session Info
  • Portrait Info
  • Corporate Info
  • Fine Art Info


Rather than notes, I am creating forms for this information. There are the same 'sets' of information for each of these that need to be handled differently. I'm finding forms very powerful for this. I rarely use notes, although a useful approach may still be discovered.


Opportunity Type

  • Wedding
  • Portrait
  • Bat-mitzvah
  • Bar-mitzvah
  • Article
  • Corporate
  • Fine Art


For me, Opportunities are more for Corporate work where you may go through a few meetings to actually land the account. For Weddings and other events, you book an 'interview' (an appt) and you either get it or you don't. Not much followup required or tracking. I use Opportunities for commercial work where I have to prepare a quote and respond to requests for proposals.



ROLES
When you link people to your opportunities or projects, you want to know the relationship so to speak and who they are. The contact themselves would have their own category. The 'Bride' would have a 'Client' category and the 'Bride Mother' would have a 'Client-Relative' category. Hopefully the 'Bride Mother' becomes a 'Client' in the future. It is important to keep these separate because a contact with category 'Client' may have many 'jobs' with you. Each one of those is an opportunity or a project and she could play a different role in each.
Contact - Opportunity/Project Roles

  • Bride
  • Groom
  • Bride Mother
  • Groom Mother
  • Bride Father
  • Groom Father
  • Lead Photographer
  • Assistant Photographer
  • Decision Maker
  • Competitor


Rarely does the Bride or Groom's other family become clients. Maybe in a large city where everyone lives nearby. But today, most relatives, even parents, live 'out-of-town' and will rarely use your services again. That's not saying you shouldn't try, but if they do, it's easy enough to create them later. I use a form to record who the important relatives are. That way the information is always there if I need to refer to it later. Generally speaking, you don't need a separate contact record for even the Bride and/or Groom. I just enter their name as John & Jane Smith/Jones. They are a couple and usually prefer to deal with you as a couple. The main role you need to keep track of is the "Cheque-book Holder"... remember, beauty is in the eyes of the cheque-book holder!! smile



FORMS
Use forms to gather bits of useful information. While Daylite is not an accounting system, you can at least log the payments received. For every album ordered, you can specify the details as well as for frames. I'm sure there are other uses, but I can't think of any right now.

Like I mentioned, rather than Notes, forms are more powerful in recording data about a particular 'shoot'. Much easier to fill out, especially with drop-down items and check-boxes, and while you're recording the information, much less likely to forget something important. Since DL isn't an accounting package, I leave that type of information up to my accounting program.

Payment Received


  • Date
  • Amount
  • Who
  • Method


Album Details


  • Make
  • Model
  • Pages
  • Recipient


Frame Details


  • Make
  • Model
  • Size




PIPELINE AND STAGES
This is where you manage your day to day business (along with the calendar). It is debatable whether you'd want a shorter opportunity pipeline and then more project pipelines. We are fudging pure Daylite theory here by going beyond the 'accepted' stage in opportunity and managing the whole process this way.

The process is that the opportunity is the driving element and that project stem of of it. For example, since each ordered album is quite a bit of work, you can make each ordered album a separate project. You would use the 'create project from opportunity' menu. You might keep all the same people linked or a have a subset (which would make more sense). Theoretically, the events (such as the reception) could also be a project, but I think that is going too fine grained and thus hard to maintain - but that is personal preference.

Opportunity - Event Pipeline (wedding, family picts, head shots, bar/bat ...)

  • Inquiry (couple is inquiring)
  • Quoted (we've given our pricing)
  • Accepted (they have accepted)
  • Scheduled (we've scheduled people/events)
  • Event Week (it's happening this week!)
  • Proofs (we've sent them the proofs)
  • Photo Touch Ups
  • Albums/Frames (we are doing the albums)
  • Delivered (we've delivered everything we need to deliver)
  • Final Payment Collected
  • Thank-you & Referral Bonus Card sent


Project - Album Assembly Pipeline

  • Recipient Determined (for the bride, groom, parents etc...)
  • Photo set
  • Sent to Photo Lab (album ordered)
  • Album Assembly
  • Accepted


Project - Frame Assembly Pipeline

  • Photo Set
  • Sent to Photo Lab (frame ordered)
  • Frame Assembly
  • Accepted


Most of these you won't really need a 'whole' project for and will more easily be handled by tasks. For example, Frame Pipeline. They select a frame, you order it, it arrives and you frame it and call them to pick it up. This could easily be handled by one Task... "Frame Order". I have created different categories for my tasks since the 'Status' fields already in DL don't really apply. For Frame Order, I use, On Order, To be Framed, Ready to Pickup. I simply change the category of the "Frame Order" task to reflect the status of that order. Much simpler than creating a whold project for it. The entire portrait or wedding from start to finish may be the project.


ACTIVITY SETS
I could only think of one forward activity set and one reverse.

Forward - Prints

  • Send proof list to lab, +3 days
  • Review prints received from lab +10 days



Reverse - External Event Preparations

  • Confirm Event location and time, - 5 days
  • Confirm Photographers, - 4 days

  • Gather Cameras, Stands, Lenses -2 days

  • Print Maps and Directions, -2 days



This is where Activity Sets could shine, except, they are not based on a set number of days or even hours from a 'start' date. Some of these tasks are 'delegated' to third parties. You can't predict how many days they're going to be. We need an Activity Set that is contingent upon one task being complete before the the other one starts. You can set Due Dates, but if the first task isn't complete, there's no sense starting the next task. You'd have to continuously readjust all the Due Dates. Again, I've started a separate thread about this.



SMARTLISTS
The following smartlist would ease your access to specific data. When you go multi-user, you could create the similar smartlist but with the user as an additional criteria. Off-course you could add a whole bunch more smartlists.

Contacts

  • Clients
  • Prospects

  • External Photographers

  • Internal Photographers



Organizations

  • Clients
  • Vendors
  • Prospects

  • External Photographers

  • Album Suppliers

  • Photo Labs



Opportunities

  • Open Inquiries
  • Events this week
  • Weddings this week

  • Proofs sent to lab

  • Delivered Jobs (waiting for final payment)

  • Payments Collected (waiting to send thank-you's)



Projects

  • Open Internal Projects
  • Open Customer Projects
  • Sent to Lab

  • Albums Being Assembled



Tasks

  • Today with Clients
  • Today at Event
  • At Studio

  • At Home



Calendar

  • <for each internal photographer>
  • All Internal Photographers


Hope this helps someone and hopefully we can get some feedback on this.


All these Smart Lists are valid. I have Smart Lists created for things like; Orders At Lab, Proofs out for Review, Weddings this Month (not many photographers book multiple weddings per week and if they did, then a weekly list may be valid), Weddings this year (to quickly see if you're booked for a certain date on an inquiry).

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AJ.. I think you're on to something here but you do need some 'insight' into the business. It's not like any other. I can see 'modules' being created for different photography fields like wedding, commercial, corporate, etc. I'd love to work more on something like this.

You should buy me lunch so we can discuss it! I'm only 45 min up the road!! smile
 
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AJ
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Sounds like a plan. I'm a little swamped right now so my time is sketchy. I should be in better shape in two weeks. We'll do something then.
 
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sounds great AJ. Let me know whenever.

Cheers
 
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Hi Mike, AJ and Eric
I am a wedding photographer so I might be able to help in some of the ways I use Daylite. AJ did a pretty good job of outlining some possible uses. One thing I find critical is to have the main catagories split out into years at the catagory stage. I shoot 80+ weddings a year, and after 15 years it gets tough keeping them seperate. I've been using Daylite for 4+ years now so let me know if you need more help.
Cheers
Karen Sayre
Eikon Photography
www.eikonphoto.com
 
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I think that what would be most helpful would be for these "best practices" to be built into a DayLite database than can be used as a template - and not just for photographers. These blank databases could be shared via Marketcircle's servers.

It might even be very useful, for the community, if Marketcircle would actually host a live database with selected users from the respective fields allowed to actually modify it. These "experts" would create everything from letter templates to activity sets. The MC folks would periodically take "snapshots" of the live database and post it as the current template. If there are enough experts, then we could even get multiple templates based on various criteria. For example, some lawyers might create various templates for different types of practices or states. Photographers might have different templates based on wedding/event work or commercial work. Sales folks might have industry specific templates or templates based on different selling systems.

This would be sort of an open source type repository.


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Posts: 237 | Location: Austin, Texas, USA | Registered: July 19, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Hello

I am a commercial photographer and have just started evaluating DayLite. It looks like it has an enormous amount of potential to manage my business.

I would love to see industry specific templates as well.
We run a small studio with three photographers currently. Areas of specialty include commercial work (ad agencies, designers),stock photography (self assigned spec work) as well as some corporate video work.

We want to share a database for marketing purposes as well as a shared calendar for studio bookings. We're somewhat separate entities but share space and resources.

Is this something that Daylite would be able to handle?

Cheers
Grant waddell
 
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Wise Guy
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Grant... welcome!

You may want to start a new post with this question as this thread has been dormant for a few weeks. I'm a one man show so can't comment about the shared database and such, but it's definately a great tool for marketing.

I think the difficult part would be working out what needs to be shared and what needs to stay private. Others that have worked with multiple users should be able to answer your question better than I.
 
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Hi Grant

I also run a commercial photography company in the same line of work as yourself. We currently have 6 users accessing Daylite on a network.

We wanted a solution that allowed us to share contact information and a shared calendar allowing us to book work into a group diary. I find it works extremely well.

The mail integration is invaluable. We often are sent briefs as pdf's via email. We create a project for each job and attach the assoc emails to them. This allows any of the photographers to pick up this job and see all communication that has taken place with the client eg. quotes, visuals, etc. The project is then linked to the job booked into the calendar (Appointment).

Drop me an email if you want to know any specifics..

Neil
 
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