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Apprentice |
I sure would love to see a Billings plugin or the like. It seems backward to be using a separate application (I currently use TimeLog) when I collect and manage all my business data in Daylite3. It doesn't seem like it would be a hard offering... all the info is there and there is already a timer engine.
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I agree - I'm surprised there isn't a conduit between Billings and Daylite. The ability to develop quotes and invoices based on contacts within the Daylite database would be significant.
Is this something Marketcircle plans to implement any time soon? Michael. |
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Veteran |
Hi,
We constantly look at Billings and Daylite and how they could working together. Right now they are designed for different target audiences so making a plugin for them would not be practical. Most people know we are working on a Billings Update - This is a Billings update and not a plugin. We are looking into it, stay tuned. 
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Apprentice |
I agree that a simple time tracking tool is not really suited to the audience that is using Daylite3. The current iteration of Billings is just that and not all that great, eiter. I hope the update improves it.
I am actually very surprised that Daylite3 doesn't have a time tracking, estimating feature within it. It is such a closely related functionality. There are already project management functions, opportunity functions, but mysteriously estimating and time tracking were not included. I would consider the above as the missing features in this good application. I hope these holes are plugged soon! Oh. And stability improves... crash-o-rama! |
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Apprentice |
I'd settle for some simple integration between Daylite and Billings for now
I'd like to easily get our Clients into Billings without going thru AddressBook.We use BaseCamp for time recording (not billing). I'd love to see the interface for Daylite time-recording improved, and a set of standard reports developed, so we could see Time by Project, Time by Opportunity, Time by Person by Project etc Richard |
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Veteran |
Diablo943: What do you mean by crash-o-rama? I find DL 3.1.1 to be quite stable. Do you use this release and is it with Tiger?
Regards, Howard |
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Apprentice |
Howard,
Yep. I have experienced a ton of crashes with 3.1.1 on Tiger. Try something for me... Create a Smart List (I don't think it matter in which section). Set a parameter for the smart list and name it "Test" or something. Close the dialog box. Now go back and edit that Smart List. Change the name to "ReTest" or something and add a parameter. Hit Ok. CRASH! Here is the beginning of my crash report... Exception Report For: Daylite [3.1.1b969] Exception Name: NSInvalidArgumentException Exception Reason: *** -[NSCFDictionary setObject:forKey:]: attempt to insert nil value It is repeatable with a specific Smart List and semi-repeatable with random Smart Lists. |
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Veteran |
Diablo943,
Yes, you do point to a known bug at this time, but that hardly qualifies as a "ton" of crashes. I'd say it was a few ounces. Regards, Howard |
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Apprentice |
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Apprentice |
What is a ton of crashes? On a Windoze computer, probably the same volume as would be required to fill a large stadium. On a Mac where a crash is a very rare thing, I think you can fit a ton of crashes in a shirt pocket... Let's not argue semantics. The fact that there are any crashes is of concern to me. I spend my day in Daylite3 and require it for the successful completion of my work. Any crashes at all impact my work day. My single example of a crash is just one of many that I have experienced. I have had crashes that originated from the Preferences Panel, the Report Editor, Contacts, Projects, and Calendar. That pretty much covers my use of the application. I like Daylite3. Like I said. I use it daily and as a critical component in my work. There are some features I would like to see in it just like there are features I would like to see in many of the applications I use on daily basis. What is different with Daylite3 is that I have found it to be exceptionally unstable. I have submitted a half dozen crash reports and skipped three times that many. This all in the last two weeks. I am glad that MarketCircle has a crash reporting system and I hope that it is helping them squash bugs. My experience is that there are a bunch. Maybe even a Macintosh ton. Dave |
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Veteran |
Ah, semantics, that hydra headed monster!
I made a point of your use of the word "ton" because a forum like this one is read by many people who might be considering the purchase of Daylite, and to them, seeing this expression might unduly alarm them in a way that would scare them completely off. Having said that, I am probably using DL as much as you are and have had less than half a dozen crashed in the last month and some of them were testing the crash that you reported. I'm not doubting that you've had these crashes but I don't experience that and I'm not sure it's the experience of the majority of DL users either, so I wanted to temper your statement according my particular experience with the application. Regards, Howard |
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Apprentice |
Yes, lets do that. I want to be able to issue invoices on our company letterhead directly from Daylite using the contacts in the database without using work-arounds. ps. Can we keep that ton of hydra headed semantic monster crashes on topic? |
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Veteran |
Michael,
You are correct in your admonition of my hydra-headed monster! Back on topic! Regards, Howard |
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Apprentice |
I think being able to use the contacts and projects list from DayLite in Billings, as an option to using the Address Book, would be a great feature.
Another convenience feature I would like is the storing of invoices produced by Billings as a letter object in DayLite. Again, only as a user preference. BTW, if it was up to me I doubt I would support a complete integration of DayLite and Billings. There are competing products that do so and they tend to be quite "heavy". As Martin Fowler says, lightweight tools are best. Lightweight tools are used in more ways than the author would ever concieve of. They do not constrain the user's work flow. Give me a few tools that do their job very well, and I will deal with the rest quite happily. |
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Apprentice |
I've been thinking about this one lately... At the Moment, I schedule an appointment in Daylite, record actual hours on paper, then enter actual hours into MYOB.
Version 1.x had a "Billable" checkbox for appointments. In my "dream scenario," I could link a client to the appointment, then set the appt to billable. Then once a week, run a report that would export all of my billable info into a tab delim file, marking each appointment as "billed." Then, it would just be a matter of importing into MYOB, and I've saved myself a lot of hassle! Of course, everyone is different, so I'm not sure that would work for everyone, but it would be great for me! Jon Bauerle Certified Daylite Partner Downbeat Technical Services 682.559.1984 |
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