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Originally posted by Kevin J:

there is nothing that approaches Daylite in overall functionality in anywhere near the price range. (The competition I have seen may in some cases have somewhat better eye candy, but when you get into the nuts and bolts of their software, they come up short.)

I suggest you do a careful survey to help determine a price-point that the majority of your users could handle that will also fairly compensate you and your creative teams for the hard work you put into the product.

You are so right about the eye-candy. For weeks I debated getting every other Mac app for project management, and always leaned towards the better looking ones, only to be severely disappointed with their features. While DL could benefit from some GUI tweaks, the functionality is really good. That's why I ultimately recommended it for my workgroup and have been using it for many months now.

I apologize to those who think I demanded a new app for free, I didn't understand the magnitude of this release, and would never suggest that it be given away. At this point though, it's hard to imagine any Mac user running DL without also being an iPhone user- which is why I suppose I have a hard time imagining using DL without DL Touch, therefore thinking they would be two components of one big app- for one price. Keeping it separate may be good for the users who don't have iPhones, but at $199, I have a hard time believing any serious Mac user would resist jumping on board the iPhone revolution.

Finally, thank you for allowing us to have this forum for productive discourse.

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Originally posted by Michael Clark:

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Originally posted by Andy A:
Will DayLite Touch sync with the iPhone via "hardwire", or will it HAVE to sync remotely via wireless?

Apple has given no way to sync via the wire.
The only way to sync is wirelessly, which we will do via either wifi/edge/3G, which ever the phone wants to use.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason you would want to sync via the wire and not wirelessly?

Yes, I work in a very large data sensitive industry. We are required to use numerous security measures, including locking our DayLite server in a secure area. I suspect with consumer privacy laws getting more strict, this wireless syncing of client data will be another obstacle to iPhone in the enterprise. MobileMe makes sense for individuals syncing up personal data, but not corporate data. We have been using Palms via hardwire. Please consider a solution (and work with Apple) that lets us sync via hardwire. We have lots of $$$ to spend on great software from the Marketcircle's braintrust!

I think wireless is pretty much the future of everything. I think you'll have to investigate secure wireless options.

Apple hasn't given us any options for wired sync and I doubt they will offer it anytime soon. Even if they do offer a wired sync, I doubt we would jump on it. The greater majority of our users would prefer a wireless option.

You may consider a closed private wireless network. I know many medical companies do this.

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Originally posted by Andy A:

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Originally posted by Michael Clark:

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Originally posted by Andy A:
Will DayLite Touch sync with the iPhone via "hardwire", or will it HAVE to sync remotely via wireless?

Apple has given no way to sync via the wire.
The only way to sync is wirelessly, which we will do via either wifi/edge/3G, which ever the phone wants to use.

Out of curiosity, is there a reason you would want to sync via the wire and not wirelessly?

Yes, I work in a very large data sensitive industry. We are required to use numerous security measures, including locking our DayLite server in a secure area. I suspect with consumer privacy laws getting more strict, this wireless syncing of client data will be another obstacle to iPhone in the enterprise. MobileMe makes sense for individuals syncing up personal data, but not corporate data. We have been using Palms via hardwire. Please consider a solution (and work with Apple) that lets us sync via hardwire. We have lots of $$$ to spend on great software from the Marketcircle's braintrust!

I'm pretty sure ATT's 3G uses *some* level of encryption. I'd look into their encryption scheme. It may fulfill your privacy requirements.

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Originally posted by AJ:
I think wireless is pretty much the future of everything. I think you'll have to investigate secure wireless options.

Apple hasn't given us any options for wired sync and I doubt they will offer it anytime soon. Even if they do offer a wired sync, I doubt we would jump on it. The greater majority of our users would prefer a wireless option.

You may consider a closed private wireless network. I know many medical companies do this.

Hi AJ,

Thanks for the input. What I am concerned about is that the customer privacy laws are getting very specific. Next time your bank, brokerage, insurance, credit union or any other financial institution sends you their privacy notice, take a look at what it says. The firms are clamping down BIG TIME on what data can get out in the wild. This will extend to other industries. Boeing had a huge fine because their database with thousands of employee records (name, address, etc) got stolen on a laptop. Wireless may be in some futures, but it poses a big security challenge and many industries are going to clamp down on client data zinging around the planet wirelessly.

Also, does this mean sync services (like the current implementation) is dead for the future? What about Palm syncing? Or is Marketcircle going to support only iPhone in the future?

We will continue to support sync services - in fact it will get better. So Palm, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, Symbian and others will be supported that way.

The iPhone will be the top dog because we pretty much control the whole stack. That is what has us super excited. We longer have to shoehorn our system on someone else's sync scheme.

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Originally posted by AJ:
We will continue to support sync services - in fact it will get better. So Palm, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, Symbian and others will be supported that way.

The iPhone will be the top dog because we pretty much control the whole stack. That is what has us super excited. We longer have to shoehorn our system on someone else's sync scheme.

but the iPhone can also have calendar and contact synced to it via sync services too, right? I know that won't be as good as having DayLite on the iPhone, but I guess I can at least carry my calendar on iPhone...?

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Originally posted by Andy A:

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Originally posted by AJ:
We will continue to support sync services - in fact it will get better. So Palm, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, Symbian and others will be supported that way.

The iPhone will be the top dog because we pretty much control the whole stack. That is what has us super excited. We longer have to shoehorn our system on someone else's sync scheme.

but the iPhone can also have calendar and contact synced to it via sync services too, right? I know that won't be as good as having DayLite on the iPhone, but I guess I can at least carry my calendar on iPhone...?

Correct. The iPhone will still be able to sync as it does today. You can check out this page for more information.

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I have been reading this string and wanted to confirm something I read earlier. Is it true that there will be no plugged in syncing of the iphone with daylite?

Right now my treo will sync with daylite at the same time that it is charging up. Are you saying that when you charge your iphone, you can't sync at the same time?

Hello.

Let me try to clarify.

There are 2 types of sync, one that works with Sync Services and syncs your Daylite data into the OS X Sync Server, which is how your data is currently getting to your mobile device, whether it be a Treo or iPhone, etc. This type of sync requires a cable for the iPhone, and other devices generally do as well. In this sync we have no control over the actual sync with the device, we just give Apple's Sync Services our Daylite data, and other parties are responsible for the sync to the device, generally either Apple (iPhone) or Missing Sync (most others).

The new sync coming with Daylite Touch is a wireless only sync. This sync takes Daylite data and sends it directly to the Daylite Touch application running on the iPhone. There are 2 reasons why it is wireless only. The first one is that Apple has provided no support for 3rd parties like us to sync via the cable. The second reason is that our system will allow you to sync data between your Daylite database and Daylite Touch on your iPhone no matter where you are as long as you have a wireless connection (i.e. WiFi, Edge and soon 3G).

Daylite Touch is CRAZY cool, I can't wait for everyone to be able to get their hands on it!

I hope this clarifies the sync issue.
Michael.

Will DayLite Touch require the iPhone Enterprise Phone Plan ($45/month) ?

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Originally posted by Chris:
Will DayLite Touch require the iPhone Enterprise Phone Plan ($45/month) ?

Is that what AT&T is calling one of their plans?
If so, then no. Daylite Touch doesn't care what plan you have, that is up to you. Even if you didn't have a data plan you could use Daylite Touch purely over WiFi if you wanted.

As far as obtaining Daylite Touch, you will need to buy a license from us, pricing for which hasn't been determined.

Michael

No you will not require an enterprise plan. Even if you don't have a data plan, you'll be able to sync over wifi.

It's pretty interesting to see Mike so excited. He is usually the more conservative one - being our VP of Eng. and all.

You should see Aly D., our VP of Ops., when we have our internal milestone demos - he foams at the mouth and gets all upset that he can't use it yet.

Even though Daylite Touch does not have all the features of Daylite (as expected), it gives you a new level of freedom & mobility while still moving business, projects and things forward.

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Hi folks,

AJ you said Even though Daylite Touch does not have all the features of Daylite (as expected), it gives you a new level of freedom & mobile while still moving business, projects and things forward."

If it is not giving away too much too early can you give us any indication if Daylite Touch will include a version of Billings that will synch with the desktop version?

thanks

PJ