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Originally posted by David4GTD:
Bummer!!!! Wow - not sure what's taking them so long? Very disappointing. Anyway here are some options.

I am not sure of your configuration issues - mine is much simpler. Yet, if there is a delay - here is what I am going to do. As you know, Daylite syncs with Ical and Address Book on your Mac. therefore you might look at a solution that syncs Ical with Google Calendar. The solution I use is Busysync for MAC. I am not sure if this will serve your purpose but BusySync also works with MobileMe - so that might work by bringing this in.

If Daylite is going to be delayed - the only issue that causes an issue in for me is syncing Tasks and Memos. Which Apple is sorely missing. The delay might mean I have to forgoe Daylite for OmniFocus which was out of the shoot right away with an Iphone Solution. Not sure why Daylite is delayed. Sometimes trying to be perfect puts you behind the curve not ahead of it.

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David,

I'm actually all good with Daylite, Ical and .Me. I don't want to introduce another party into the mix as this always gets messy real quick.
The real issue is that I will have to configure 4 additional client computers that sync with the individual iphones. I would prefer to see all that happening server-side.

Also, I don't know how DL performs once you have 5 client computers syncing with .Me. Could be a bit taxing on the database and introduce a lot of headaches.

is there someone at Daylite to post an answer? It looks everybody is on vacation.

No we are not on vacation (well some of us are). Daylite Touch is delayed by a few weeks (I'll make a post soon).

The aim with Daylite Touch is speed and reliability. In order to achieve those things, we have to tune it to Daylite. Introducing Mobile Me in there simply adds more complexity - which in the end will not help.

Our sync services implementation will also improve by the time we ship Daylite Touch. You'll be able to continue using sync services (and thus Mobile Me) if you choose to, but I suspect you will not once you experience Daylite Touch.

Christian is right - Sync Services puts a heavy strain on the system because of the way it does things (we have to feed it all the data for it to calculate the difference that have to be sent out to other apps - and heaven forbid if one of those apps acts weird). Also sync services is fundamentally a single user system. In contrast, the Daylite Touch system is designed to be light weight on both the database and the device and multi-user safe. While DT is not push (Apple won't let us do that), the data transfer system will be more than acceptable.

AJ,

thanks for answering this. Is it possible to release a version of DT that isn't as full featured and do an update later? All I care about is calendar entries per user and contact sync. Like this I can give my employees and freelancers (I have about 10 of them) access to their work calendar.

AJ,
Thanks for the answer. let's wait for the upcoming post on DT, as you mention.

We, faithfull users, understand certainly the complexity to port Daylite on the iPhone.
Cheers

the daylite touch site has been changed to say release date of 2009! Is that correct? This critical to my business, if release is 2009 I will have to make other arrangements. Please don't tell us release is imminent if it is really 2009. That really screws with my business. So is the site accurate?

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the daylite touch site has been changed to say release date of 2009! Is that correct? This critical to my business, if release is 2009 I will have to make other arrangements. Please don't tell us release is imminent if it is really 2009. That really screws with my business. So is the site accurate?

I'm not sure where you got the notion that the release would be "imminent". On daylitetouch.com we had said that we planned to release in Fall 2008 (which ends in late December). At that time, AJ wrote a blog post where he said "we will ship towards the end of the year".

We've recently fell a bit behind schedule, so we've moved the target release date to early 2009.

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On daylitetouch.com we had said that we planned to release in Fall 2008 (which ends in late December).

That’s true for astronomical fall (which ends 20 Dec.), but when you say fall most people think meteorological fall, which ends 30 Nov. And human nature is to think of the middle of a time period, rather than the very last day.

So, while I’d rather MC delay Daylite Touch until it’s working well and is stable, it’s a touch sneaky to describe your initial estimate of delivery window as taking us to the end of December, meaning it’s not that delayed.

Guys,
Don't be too pushy regarding DT. We all love Daylite and all love our iPhones and we are all very excited to marry the two.

But, as we all know, Daylite is a very deep app, as most serious databases are. So it's good that MC take whatever appropriate time to deliver us a clean update.

Regarding the iPhone, even if Apple has released the SDK, they really don't facilitate the job of outside developers. Ask to the guys working on Bluetooth apps, guys doing Salling Clicker and BluePhone Elite. They'll probably have to rethink completely their app if they want to stay in the Phone business.

So, please be patient with MC if they take the prudent approach and need "a few more weeks" to deliver a clean and professional extension to the iPhone. You will probably be the firsts to complain if they fail and give us an unfinished and bugged version.

Nobody wants to be a beta-tester for our professional and critical apps. Most Daylite users are SMEs, Daylite is at the heart of our company and our business is at stake.

So, MC guys, please take whatever time necessary. AJ, thanks for the updates.

I agree totally with Vince, as I said here back in July ... please let the Marketcircle team get on with the job and stop harassing them. We have been told there will be iPhone support, that it is a big job and it won't be released until later in the year.

Obviously iPhone support is a major "must do" for the developers so they are working to get this out as fast as they can.

I am sure it will be worth the wait so respectively how about a little peace, quiet and consideration for the workers?

Oh for gods sake don't be so sensitive. When I see Fall 2008 I think you mean the start not the end. Then it switches to 2009.

I am just trying to make a business decision. I didn't buy the iphone for myself and staff becaus e I thought it was cool, I bought it to help manage projects tasks etc on the move.

If MC aren't going to release an app for ages, fine! Justbe up front about it so I can make some business decisions. Don't drip feed us by blogging with press releases and news that feed an illusion that it will be released in 6 - 8 weeks.

I just need to make decisions about what software to buy for the phone to manage tasks on the go. If DT isn't available I'll look for something else but don't screw me around with vaporware release schedules and I won't keep asking about release dates.

"Peace and quiet"? Maybe I should get some essential oils and whale song music going whilst I'm at it. If they had of just said December 2008 or Feb 2009 it allows business owners to make decisions on their software purchases.

Why the friggin cloak and dagger rubbery time frames I'll never know. I'm not going to invest in an interim solution if DT is going to be out next month am I?

Now I will assume mid 2009 to be on the safe side given what they said about the Fall release date and go and spend some money somewhere else.

Hope I didn't offend anyones delicate condition.

Sheesh.

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Originally posted by jimboot:

"Peace and quiet"? Maybe I should get some essential oils and whale song music

Hehehe,
That's fine for the "delicate condition". We are not yet hooked to the Whale music. More rocky, actually.

Keep cool, buddy.

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When I see Fall 2008 I think you mean the start not the end.

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When I see Fall 2008 I think you mean the start not the end. Then it switches to 2009.

Jimboot,

I actually enjoyed reading your post. But if I were you I'd revise how I interpreted an expected release time frame in the computer software industry. Many years of industry history suggest that release dates almost always slip and almost never come sooner. (Just being realistic). At the very least you'd probably be disappointed much less often.

I can understand the frustration over "dashed expectations" everyone is feeling about the slippage date. And yes - we all see the possibilities of DayliteTouch to solve a lot of the issues actually created by the promise of the Iphone. Ultimately, those promises will be fulfilled and our productivity will be improved.

but ultimately - being successful in my business does not hinge on DayliteTouch - my servie to my clients does and yes I can serve them better with productivity tools that enhance my relationships with them.

So while I can appreciate the frustration by Jimboot in the end Market Circle is trying to do the right thing. Yes, Jimboot you must make a business decision - so make it and don't blame Market Circle. As was noted - software complete dates usually slip.

As business people we all make decisions that don't always work out. just look at Apple's snaffues with teh introduction of the 3G, 2.0 and MobileMe at the same time. Steve Jobs even admits making a bad business decision. I am sure Market Circle regrets making the initial announcement - but we know they will follow through.

Ultimately - at this point - no one has a solution we are all looking for anyway so Market Circle is on the cutting edge.

I admit I too was frustrated by the possibilities for my business - yet I know I will serve my clients well until DayliteTouch is out and yes I will be more productive once it is out.

Anyway - just a few thoughts

David4GTD